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Nick and Dan both came from a love of punk rock, and both of them moved outward to embrace many other elements, but still hold true to their origins. They talk about Nick's first real band, Left Behind, and his late teens and early 20s touring with them, the start of The Danger O's, and his new band WAX WAV. Is it possible to write a political song that can also be universal? Do we cry at more things now because we're older, or because the world seems to be going to hell? How scary is it to front a band when you're used to being behind the kit? All these questions and more are answered.